A little late to the party because my week has been busy and I didn't have time to write this earlier, but I am currently #84 in trophies. Personally, I have essentially stopped trying for the divines because their prices have become absurd. Because of the pricing, there are only 10 more divines that I *ever* plan to get on this game and they are Greyfells 3,5,& 10, Shenma, Hrímfaxi, and the remaining 5 rainbows that I don't have. Other that that, I have turned my trophy collecting towards companions, GAs, and RCs, because I know I won't be wasting loads of passes on a futile effort to get a divine that won't pay me back within my lifetime.

To start, the prices of divines has most definitely gone up, and the likelihood you will get divines in luck items has gone way down. If we're being honest, I remember back in 2014 I got Venus for 20 old passes in a Challenge (2000 new passes). Meaning that it took me 3 1/2 years to start making a profit off of her. She has the same drop rate as Saturn, plus you get Uranus when you breed her. It was shocking to learn that many people were having to spend around 20,000 passes to get Saturn. Additionally, I remember in 2014 I got Jade who has arguably the best pass drop rate in the entire game for 16 passes in a Challenge. 16. For Jade. It took me a year to earn that back. Then, about a year ago people were spending 10x that amount to get him. I could continue on with this for while, telling you how little each of my 60 divines that I got before 2018 cost to emphasize how much the prices have skyrocketed, but it would just make me really sad.

However, I think the biggest loss so far is the introduction of divine fragments. At first, the idea was great, and the mechanics were good. I got a few of my divines by filling up the meter in the Challenge and GF back when they would give 60ish fragments each time you lost; but there has definitely been a change in how many fragments you get. Additionally, we are now loosing out on so many BMIs in the events because they have been replaced with fragments. I used to be able to get enough BMI for a free Prix skiller in 1 or 2 events, but now it takes like 5 or 10. Also, having the divines at the end of the event would *guarantee* that you would get a divine for a set number of passes. You could do the math and calculate the number of passes it would take to get a specific divine. I remember 14-year-old me sitting down and calculating how many passes it would take to get Gullfaxi from the pinatas. It was 15 passes, so I went for it and I got him. Additionally, if you were really strategic about the event, you could lower the price of the divine by quite a bit. Nowadays with the event Divine always in a luck item, you can't even begin to estimate an accurate price of how much it will take to buy the divine. You may be opening 5 luck items or 200.

Overall, as a person who used to go for nearly every divine, I am incredibly disappointed. The prices have gotten insane, and the rewards have stayed the same, and in some cases, gotten worse. Getting a divine in at this time will not make you profit. They are almost entirely for the trophies, and at this point, they aren't even worth that.

I would love to see this changed. The divine fragments are, in theory, a really good idea, but the overall greed for money needs to stop. I understand that Howrse needs to earn money to keep the game running. However, they need to realize that at some point people are not going to buy passes, because the divines just aren't be worth the money. They need to find their healthy balance between giving out divines to encourage people to try, and making it hard enough that people will buy some passes. But right now, the balance between the two is *very* off.

I do not find the pricing fair any more on the divines I would much prefer just to buy the thing than having to open 20 to 50 items hoping it will show up and having no way of knowing what it will actually end up costing.

Regarding the loot boxes (our luck items) I believe in the Netherlands it's illegal to have this type of item in a game that is aimed at children and it is on the list of rules that EU at some point are going to take up (it might have gone to the back of the queue with the recent climate in the world) but it has been debated before and it will be debated again whatever any type of luck or gambling based items should be legal in a game that is aimed at children.

I know Fortnight has been forced to remove some of their luck chests because they were having actual issues with children becoming addicted to opening them.

I don't remember if the item is still there but I think there is some rules regarding it today.

But it might become an EU law that a game that is aimed at anyone under 18 may not contain any type of luck-based/gambling items.

If anyone knows if this is actually a rule in the Netherlands and how the Netherlands server deals with that (if there is one?) I am curious to know the answer.

And the final note to you Howrse there is a real possibility that it does become law in the future in the EU and maybe in America as well that luck gambling based items are illegal in games aimed at children, so you might want to think about alternatives. Before it suddenly becomes a law.

^ I'm also in the top 100 for trophies and I think the divine prices have been absolutely absurd. The solars in particular, which I've voiced multiple times. I want to finish as many divine trophies as possible since I was not actively playing back when they were originally released. Of course, the remaining trophies I'm pressed on getting include the pet trophy, whereas I need the ladybug, the darumas/pinata pets, various wandering spirit coats, and divines. The divine trophy dream has become just what it has been, a dream, because there's no way I can complete the trophies with my current budget; which is already a lot. I earn roughly 700-1000 passes per week via gemstones, dailies, objectives, and team payouts, but I still find myself having to buy passes on occasions despite saving everything for the weekend promos.

I feel like hardcore players such as myself are ignored and rarely listened to when it comes to actual complaints and constructive criticism that we've given the past few weeks. We fund the game, so why not try to appease us in even the slightest way possible, which can include adjusting fragment payouts or an alteration to the RNG of Titans and Fleeces. Of course divines can't be totally free.. but we shouldn't have to spend 5000-15000 passes per weekend on one divine. Again, as I've said before many times, I'd be much more inclined to buy passes if the odds were evened out. As would many others.

But I do feel like after the huge backlash from Saturn prices that something will be done. However I will remain skeptical until the next Solar divine comes out.

Perhaps the newly appointed Ow will turn a new leaf and help give the players what we've been asking for for years - fairness and balance. I have some hope after seeing the re-vamp of the piñata promo we just had, with adjusting the prizes. But I won't believe it until I see it.

I never really focused on trophies, but on my last account I was in the top 100 for general ranking, before I chose to pull the plug on it because I became obsessed with keeping my ranking, so I feel that I should give my views.

I personally feel that pricing has become way too much, and I say this as someone that can spare about 20-30 £ each week and tends to act on it. Howrse got me through high school and many other hard points in my life, so I want to support it now that I am in a position to do so, but it is starting to become really hard to justify it.

At one point that 20-30 would have been able to get me the majority of weekend divine even if I had to max the meter, but now that 20-30 might not even get me a quarter of the way through the meter. What happened? Why are we being expected to dump about 4 times the amount in to get the same thing? It's a pixel at the end of the day, a luxury item, so it shouldn't risk breaking the bank.

I am one of those that liked the concept of the divine fragments, I remember dumping around 35 fleeces worth to get Jade and having barely anything to show for it as we didn't have them back then, so it was either you got the divine or you didn't, not the divine or you got to keep some fragments.

However, with how much promos seem to lean towards them I have started to dislike them, especially when you can still be expected to dump 2000-3400 passes to max out the rest if you don't get lucky. At one point 2000ish passes would have finished the promo, plus gotten you many nice prizes, but now it's mostly half fragments, half prizes, with only a few decent prizes in the most.

Again, I wish to support Howrse, it has brought me over a decade of joy, but it might come to the point where I decide to spend that money elsewhere as the cost doesn't justify the amount I can come out with.

One thing Im noticing in the Titans Challenges this weekend is that the difficulty has been skewed somehow. Last weekend I got to level 6 over and over again but could never reach level 7 for Saturn, this weekend I have hit level 5 multiple times in a row, but cant get to level 6. Im so overly frustrated at this point, hows everyone else doing?

Does anybody know if there are events like these every weekend? I'm going to have to save up TC and HoPs if there is.

Yes. There are divine promotions every weekend. Some weekends don't have divines in all luck items though. Additionally, we usually don't know which divine/s are coming until the day before, so it can be very hard to predict when a certain divine will be released.

So, I went relic hunting with old images because I found, to my shock, that they hadn't been deleted yet (we're talking 2012 stuff, for the old old old Neptune event) and look what I found:

To be 100% clear,

INFO SHEET

The divine:

I would like to thank teah for the information about the drop rate for the divine.


The event:


The flash sales:
[spoiler]
[spoiler]

Card and divine prices in flash sales:

Cards list

Collection cards:
Bronze


Silver


Gold
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Diamond



Prize cards:
Bronze



Silver


Gold



Diamond

Any additions/editions are welcome. NB: my INFO SHEET is just about at the max 10K character limit so try to keep any changes short, otherwise it's going to turn into a 2 part series like my INFO SHEET for the current event. I apologize for any inconvenience.

To go along with the above post

@jsniper
I don't mind. The more info that we can add, the better. Just don't forget to post that up in the event's forum when the promo goes live.

The prices for the cards are insane... not just the flash sale prices, but the trading ones are also expensive, especially for newer players like me. I struggle with saving up in general, so even the prices for trading cards will be something that I can't justify spending equus on. And flash sales are definitely going to be out of the question for me...
Looks like I'm just going to have to hope luck is on my side if I want to get decent prizes or Etrian, because I know there's no way I'll be able to complete all the collections to get Kawaii.

Remember

I am also a heavy trophy hunter (ranking between 33-45 ). I tend to only shoot for a divine if I actually like it.
I usually set a limit on the luck items but sometimes it can be hard to stick to. CT's are essentially gambling and although I don't gamble on the lottery or have a habit, the desire to win the prize in a luck item can be very strong.
I feel that these luck items should be abolished.
Like the others have said I tend to keep trophy hunting to collections of pets, coats, rays , that type of thing.
I have around 340 trophies and not very many complete divine collections.
At the moment I'm working on rosettes.
On another note, Etrian used to be my favourite divine along with the other one that we got from playing the phone app game. I do have to say that I feel it should not be offered as a prize in the cards. It's so rewarding when you actually have to work to get something as was the case with these divines. ( They should have made them available for sale for collectors ).
I'm dreading the day they release Archimedes in luck items !!!

Shadowkokufu will do!

@AdmYrrek
The pattern does hold true for this version of the event. I was watching.. noting those prices and the range just kept getting bigger every time I looked because of that pattern. I'll add that to the sheet, thank you for clarifying it!

It looks like saving up equus is a good idea for the next event.

Anyone happen to know when Fern was last released and what luck item they were in? I'm missing them and Liana, and I know Liana was this past January but I don't think we've seen Fern recently.

You can easily check this yourself by searching "Fern" in the directories and checking show only special horses. You'll see a lot which were born on 29/30 November last year. Probably Black Friday.

Then previous to that most were born around 2018-05-21. I then searched the events forum using the handy search bar for "Fern".

Ayra posted on18 May 21018 in the HOP topic:

"I found Fern in my first Golden Fleece and 3 stars!"

I hope this helps and hopefully have shown how one can use this system to answer these types of questions

I would like to see them released again too as i am only missing Carnivorus (and consequently Lotus, who will come when i get Carnivorus). Then i will have completed that collection! I hate it when i'm just missing one!

Same with Greyfells...i am only missing two, but Howrse doesn't seem to like to release them much anymore! All i want to do is complete the collection sniff sniff.