[Info] Cross breeders

Finally a post just for us cross breeders. The purpose of this topic is for cross breeders to have a place to discuss their crossbreeding programs and to share crossbreeding secrets and advice with others who may be interested in giving crossbreeding a try. Feel free to talk about your crossbreeding programs and your achievements and failures in crossbreeding.
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zepharo
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HAhemi wrote:

Hi guys, I have a few projects I'd like to start... can some one advise me on the Best barrel cross, SJ cross, and XC?


Probably your best bets:
Barrel: Mustang/Mawari
SJ: Selle/KWPN
XC: Gypsy/Shayga Arab or Akhal-Teke
RunNRide25
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RunNRide, would the foal need to be specific in the breed it comes out to be?
HAhemi
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HAhemi wrote:

RunNRide, would the foal need to be specific in the breed it comes out to be?


Depends on what you're going for. If you just looking to do well in the prix, or in open competitions it doesn't matter at all.
For breed only comps though, you're better off having the breed with the general lower GP being dominant over the higher GP breed (Mawari, KWPN, Shayga/Akhal dominant).
RunNRide25
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Have crossbreeds won the Prix before?
dααé
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lovetopaint - I hadn't bred it recently, mine was from a while ago. What was your date of birth? Mine was 2019-03-22?
EmeraldShards
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What are the best cross for all five competitions in both classical and western?
I'm thinking about starting cross breeding to see if I have more luck with the grand prix..
Timpin
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Timpin wrote:

What are the best cross for all five competitions in both classical and western?
I'm thinking about starting cross breeding to see if I have more luck with the grand prix..


The "Prix Breeds" are:
Cross Country - Gypsy Vanner
Trot - French Trotter or Peruvian Paso
Showjumping - Selle Francas
Dressage - Lusitano
Gallop - Thoroughbred
Cutting - Argentinian Criollo
WP - Tennessee Walker
Reining - Lippizan
Trail - Nokota
Barrels - Mustang

I would start with those and cross them with something with the same skill set.
RunNRide25
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What do you suggest if I want to breed a monster comp horse, one that will win 1000+comps or one that will win rosettes?
Matthewkirbey2018
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I want to create a barrel beast, suggestions on breeds? I had one before.... I think it was a Arab marwi?
HAhemi
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HAhemi wrote:

I want to create a barrel beast, suggestions on breeds? I had one before.... I think it was a Arab marwi?


I believe your question was already answered by RunNRide25, but best bet would be to cross with a mustang with the *other* breed you choose being dominant. Mustang x Marwari would be decent. Not sure right off what other breeds have the stamina, speeds, gallop skill set, but I *think* those are currently the two highest.
animallover97
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Sorry, you are correct.. I spaced on that. I'll look at those, thank you.
HAhemi
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Any ideas on what would be best to cross with paints to potentially win rosettes? Been wanting to do a paint dominant skiller but cant decide is crossing with mustang for barrel comps or TB for gallop would be better. Or if some other cross or 3 or 4 way cross would be better
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Has anyone ever done a perfect 5-way split (20% of all involved breeds)? I think I worked out on paper how it would go, but Howrse's rounding is the monkey wrench in predictions. I'd rather not blow all the APs trying to do it if someone's already tried and found it doesn't work
AdmYrrek
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I’m looking for a horse that does well in cross country. Any breeds I should mix?
txgirl2009
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txgirl2009 wrote:

I’m looking for a horse that does well in cross country. Any breeds I should mix?


Gypsy/Shayga Arab or Akhal-Teke
Gypsy's have the current highest GP with XC skill set, and S-Arabs and A-Ts are close to each other in those 2nd/3rd spots.
RunNRide25
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So I got bored waiting for y'all to answer my question from a week ago and gave it a go. A couple hundred APs down and I got 99.9% of a cocktail horse. Check this guy out.

His breeds are:
20% Australian Pony
20% French Trotter
20% Fjord
20.0% Marwari
19.9% Tennessee Walker

There's definitely some fuzzy math involved with this one. I will try to breed him back in search of that goal of a perfect 5-way split with 20% in each, but my AP stores are hurting and it's getting late.
AdmYrrek
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AdmYrrek wrote:

So I got bored waiting for y'all to answer my question from a week ago and gave it a go. A couple hundred APs down and I got 99.9% of a cocktail horse. Check this guy out.

His breeds are:
20% Australian Pony
20% French Trotter
20% Fjord
20.0% Marwari
19.9% Tennessee Walker

There's definitely some fuzzy math involved with this one. I will try to breed him back in search of that goal of a perfect 5-way split with 20% in each, but my AP stores are hurting and it's getting late.

Maybe make another with the 19.9% on a different breed, then breed the two?
dααé
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The eventual answer is YES, you can make a perfect 5-way split where each breed is 20% of the total. See my new affix "NAME is a 5-Way Filler"

Here is the "recipe" for creating a perfect 5-way cocktail. The letters A, B, C, D, and E represent the five different breeds you select. I have listed the horses by their proportions of each breed:

1st Gen: A + B = 50AB AND C + D = 50CD (this gen involves two couplings)
2nd Gen: 50AB + 50CD = 25ABCD
3rd Gen: E + 25ABCD = 50E/12.5ABCD
4th Gen: 50E/12.5ABCD + 25ABCD = 25E/18.8ABCD
5th Gen: 25E/18.8ABCD + 25ABCD = 21.9ABCD/12.5E
6th Gen: 25E/18.8ABCD + 21.9ABCD/12.5E = 20.3ABCD/18.8E
7th Gen: 25E/18.8ABCD + 20.3ABCD/18.8E = 21.9E/19.5ABCD
8th Gen: 21.9E/19.5ABCD + 20.3ABCD/18.8E = 20.3E/19.9ABCD
9th Gen: 20.3E/19.9ABCD + 20.3ABCD/18.8E = 20.1ABCD/19.5E
10th Gen: 20.3E/19.9ABCD + 20.1ABCD/19.5E = 20ABCD/19.9E
11th Gen: 20.3E/19.9ABCD + 20ABCD/19.9E = 20.1E/20ABCD
12th Gen: 20.1E/20ABCD + 20ABCD/19.9E = 20ABCDE

Be warned that it takes a while and several hundred APs to do (and possibly some ZBolts) depending on your luck in getting compatible foals since there's a lot of back-breeding.

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Other notes:

All of your first-gen 20ABCDE horses will look like and be listed as whatever your breed E horse was.

As you do the generational breedings, all the horses that are not E-breed dominant will be listed as whatever your original 25ABCD horse was in terms of appearance and listed breed. In all of the cocktail horses I observed that the ABCD breeds ALWAYS showed up in the same order. There was no variation in the order in which those breeds were listed. Whatever the original 25ABCD horse had as their breed order list set the list order for all subsequent generations.

My next experiment will be breeding the two first-gen 20ABCDE horses together to see what their foals come out as and to see if their breed list orders move around.
AdmYrrek
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Really happy with how this lady turned out! Top in trot and dressage for her breed. Gonna cross her with a TB/Lusi to get a Lusi that, hopefully, ranks for gallop. Fingers crossed!
hOrsElUvEr95
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Wow Adm! Good to know!

Pretty happy with how this girl turned out this weekend. #2 right now in KWPN jump default smiley :)

I sold her twin for 100p (as a foal) but then the person who bought her sold it two mins later for the same price... probably didn't realize she was a cross default smiley (lol)
Ever
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I've skilled a horse named Breeder 36% a little bit, and she gives birth to non-purebred skiller preps to be future Grand Prix winners. She mostly does Lusitanos.
ZGMEquine
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Does anyone know if Fjord/Haflinger crosses are good?
superocelot02
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ZGMEquine wrote:

I've skilled a horse named Breeder 36% a little bit, and she gives birth to non-purebred skiller preps to be future Grand Prix winners. She mostly does Lusitanos.


Not to be rude in any way, but no horse you'll breed with her will win any grand prix. First off, each day/competition requires a very specific set of skills that already aligns with a purebred breed skill set, and crossbreeds rarely, if ever, win. Also any horse that isn't already near top of the overall GP (which is around 17,000 at this point) doesn't stand a chance, and a horse that doesn't have high IBS is automatically not going to win either.

superocelot02 wrote:

Does anyone know if Fjord/Haflinger crosses are good?


Hm, don't think I've seen any of those for awhile. They have overlapping skill sets (in dressage and stamina), so depending on which breed is dominant, you might be able to win some competitions, but looking at the breed skills, I couldn't tell you if they'd actually be *good* or not.
animallover97
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https://www.howrse.com/elevage/chevaux/cheval?id=56286829
What would you breed this mare to?
Matthewkirbey2018
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Does anyone know some good breeds to cross selles and thoroughbreds with?
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